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    Positive ratingPhilipp about Hecke:
    Interessant-lustige Frage, sehr prompte Verarbeitung! Vielen Dank.
     
  • Leo
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    Positive ratingLeo about Hecke:
    thank you, and indeed: no solution to the math (yet, stay tuned)
     
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EUR 10.-family housework monitoring system, who has to do the dishes next?

 

Dear Starminds,

here i forward a question from my office mate, which is mathematically quite nice.

The starting point is his system to monitor the equal effort done in the housework between him and his wife. They have a measure with their names at both ends. Every time someone does a task, he/she moves a pin one unit step towards his/her name. The goal is to keep the family harmonic by keeping the pin more or less in the middle between the two names. 

Currently their son is too young to be introduced to cleaning the bathrooms, but there will come a day, when he has to be incorporated into that system. And maybe, he will get siblings...

So, here comes the question:

How has a three or more member solution of the above monitioring system to look like?

Mathematically, this means: is there a way to build a manifold in 2D, embedded in 3D obviously, that keeps the sum of distances to three particular points fixed? How does it look like? How is the pin moved on that manifold?

Not necessary for the full rating of the solution are the additional tasks: How about more than three points? Is there a way to incorporate a weighting such that the little one has only to do a fraction of his parents housework? More explicitly: Is it possible to design the manifold such that a unit step towards one name draws away the pin from the other names in a nonequal manner?

have fun!

   Hecke

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  • Written by Hecke Verified User on Monday, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:28:40 AM
    Oh, i wrote a comment but somehow forgot to save it... Here it comes:

    ATTENTION, QUESTION SOLVERS!

    i'm not interested in any kind of housework scheduling system.
    I'm just curious how a 2D manifold which keeps the sum of distances to three or more points would look like.
    So if you are familiar with matlab or mathematica, just try it out. I got stuck in the jungle of the ezimplot3 package. So ideally you send my code that generates for some points a 3D picture of the manifold and a grid on that manifold that visualizes the pin movements.

    sorry that the former version of that comment did not make it here.
    Hecke

    btw. Leo already sent the solution of defining a nice metric on a triangular grid in a 2D triangle. I think this is by far the easiest solution in the sense of my officemate. Anyway no nice 3D pics. yet.
    Hecke
     
  • Written by Leo Verified User on Wednesday, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:13:47 PM
    Hi Hecke,
    On my solution, I think I know how to define a metric on the grid that I explained. It is not a manifold, but it does become a metric space if that is acceptable. Define as the set the points on the grid that can be reached through the 3 types of steps (towards the 3 people). The distance between any 2 points can be defined as the minimum number of steps to reach them. This is nonnegative, 0 iff the points are the same, from a->b equals from b->a, and it satisfies the triangle inequality because one can always take the paths required from a->b and b->c and add them together.
    So, this is a metric on the set of points, and as long as the pin is inside the triangle (ie. noone is rediculously behind in chores) doing a chore increases the distance to each of the other people by 1.
    cheers,
    Leo
    Leo
     
  • Written by Peter Verified User on Wednesday, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:19:54 PM
    That's a fun question, and they are rare on Starmind! And of course it addresses an age-old problem, which in earlier days found its expression in this movie:
    External Link http://www.archive.org/details/FamilyLi1949
    Peter
     
  • Written by Peter Verified User on Wednesday, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:19:26 PM
    That's a fun question, and they are rare on Starmind! And of course it addresses an age-old problem, which in earlier days found its expression in this movie:
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    Peter
     

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